An interesting post from bikenbeer2000 over at 2012hoax.org This isn’t the only place we’ve started to see this ‘backpedalling’ from the doomtards.
I’ve been making occasional visits to the forums at december212012.com “The Official Website for 122112 Information” or, more correctly “The Official Website for 122112 Doom Information” but strictly as a lurker and have been noticing (not surprisingly) an increasing number of postings questioning the site, saying “we are seeing no signs”, etc.
I hadn’t had a look for a couple of days so I thought I’d go in search of some humour and see whether the comments were getting more and more annoyed and the mods getting more and more desperate. However, I was greeted with this notice:
The forum is permanently disabled. Will explain on Facebook page soon
So, a look at the Facebook page revealed:
Because of perceived threats and recent extremist events that have occurred in the United States and China, it has become necessary to disable our site forum. Current forum members are not under suspicion or in threat of investigation. I am in complete cooperation with requesting parties and cannot, and will not comment on this matter any further.
PLEASE PEOPLE… I’m begging you. Do not overreact or make any rash decisions regarding Dec 21st. Anyone who knows anything about the 2012 prophecies, including myself, does not believes that the world is going to end. This date simply marks the end of an era and the beginning of a new. This is an exciting time for our planet and we should consider ourselves blessed to be alive and able to experience a fantastic new existence.
This is right out of the Nancy Lieder Handbook, under the heading “Things going pear-shaped. Blame world events”. And they’re also now firmly into the “We never really said anything would happen” camp. All totally predictable.
The critical comments seem to be coming into the Facebook page thick and fast. No doubt that will be shut down and blamed on the government (US or Chinese?) Read it while you can.
If you want to know what they were really saying 18 months ago, the Internet Archive Wayback Machine is very useful.
So the date of December 21st, 2012 is finally here.
The winter solstice has happened, the calendar has ended, we’re still here! No Nibiru, no asteroid or comet, no massive solar flare, no giant earthquakes and no alien invasion.
It’s safe to say, not that it wasn’t ever safe to say, that the doomtards have failed yet again. So, will this finally be the end of doomsday theories and fearmongering? I doubt it.
I think it’s a pretty sure thing that doomtards such as Marshall Masters, Nancy Lieder, Jaysen Rand, Patrick Geryl etc, and the countless armchair genius’ on YouTube will dream up more crackpot theories with no science or evidence to back them, or just push the date back for Planet X and Nibiru. I mean, why break the habbit of a lifetime?
As we’ve said before, fear sells, and people like this make a living off of it. We can only hope now that the people who were sucked in to this hoax and believed it will think a little harder next time. This may very well be our last post on the whole 2012 hoax, but you can rest assured that so long as there are idiots like this spreading their BS and fear over the internet, we won’t be far behind to debunk them. So there you have it folks, probably the biggest doomsday theory hopefully laid to rest. We’d like to take this oppertunity to thank everyone involved in this blog and thanks to everyone for all your kind messages of support over the years. Have a great Christmas and new year.
To the doomtards, Marshall Masters in particular, YOU FAILED!
Professor Brian Cox, OBE, is a British particle physicist, a professor at the University of Manchester, and a member of the High Energy Physics group working on the Large Hadron Collider at CERN.
He is also a populariser of science, hosting major TV series such as “Wonders Of The Solar System”. The latter was named best documentary series of 2010, and received the prestigious George Foster Peabody Award for excellence in documentary film-making. Other awards for his work in popularising science include the Institute of Physics Kelvin Prize, for communicating the appeal and excitement of physics to the general public. Some have called him “The New Carl Sagan”.
He is an outspoken critic of all areas of pseudoscience, particularly Astrology, 2012, the Mayan calendar prediction, and conspiracy theories concerning the Moon landings.  He is also dismissive (in a similar manner to Richard Feynman) of “philosophy of science” written by non-scientists; “to put it bluntly, vast amounts of drivel have been written about the subject by armies of postmodernist philosophers and journalists”. His comment that Astrology is “a load of rubbish”, made during one episode of Wonders Of The Solar System, provoked many complaints from Astrologers. His reply to this, in the Huw Wheldon Lecture, was: “I apologise to the astrology community for not making myself clear. I should have said that this New Age drivel is undermining the very fabric of our civilisation”. 
He does have a reputation for plain speaking. The Creationist belief that the world is 6,000 years old is dismissed as “b–ks”, anyone who believes the world is going to end next year because of the Mayan calendar is “a moron”. And people who believe Cern’s Large Hadron Collider will suck the universe into a black hole are “t—ts”. 
Views on 2012
Cox’s main output concerns serious science and major projects such as the Large Hadron Collider. His comments on 2012 have generally been made through less official channels, such as his Twitter account and YouTube, where he often uses colourful language and slang. For example, on Twitter he said “the 2012 end of the world stuff is a steaming pile of turd, and if you believe it u r a nobber – that’s my considered view”. There are two videos in which Cox speaks about 2012, filmed informally while on a car journey. The following is a transcript of the first video: 
The maya had a long count, which was a calendar, it was basically base 20, mayan calendars are always base 20, that’s because you’ve got 10 fingers and 10 toes, so it’s a HUMAN based calendar. And so the long count began – this current long count – began in 3 thousand 100 and 16 or 17 BC, I can’t remember which, and if you add them all up, then the year 13 0 0 0 0 – which is the end of that long count – is 2012. And in the mayan calendar then, a new long count begins, so the mayans believed that the universe was created in three thousand whatever it is BC, and will end in 2012 because a new one’s going to be created, a new cycle’s going to be created – it’s in the same sense that the day ends when the Sun is devoured in the East <corrects himself> in the West, and reappears again in the East.”
The maya have a calendar which cycles around, and there are many, many, many, correspondents on the internet that believe that that’s still going to be the case, that the universe is going to end in 2012.”
What kind of MORON do you have to be? ….. to?” <pauses>
See the maya had some elaborate system of counting, it all cycles around and their whole civilisation was built on it, so I have no quarrel at all with the maya, I think they had a beautiful civilisation. [but] People on the internet today who …. the thing is, the calendar is based on the number of fingers and toes you’ve got, right. How can that have cosmic significance? 5 5 5 5. How can that have cosmic significance? It just depends entirely on what – on how many dextrous protrusions the organism that invented the civilisation’s got. So …..” <shakes head, lost for words>
“So your opinion of people that think the world will end in 2012 because that’s the end of the mayan long count is? Your opinion is?”
I reckon that they might be statistically right, because you’ve got to be such a <expletive bleeped out> to believe it, that you might have a higher statistical chance of walking in front of a bus. So in that sense, they could be statistically correct. And it will be to the advantage of all of us, because the human race will progress in a more measured way, if the people who believe that are statistically removed in 2012.”
The following is a transcript of the second of Cox’s videos about 2012, in which he covers the same ground: 
“What do some people think’s going to happen in 2012, and what do you think?”
What IS going to happen in 2012, is that the current mayan long count is going to end, so it’s going to go to 13 0 0 0 0. and then, as our experts on mayan culture tell us today, it will go to 1 0 0 0 0, and carry on. But what the maya believe is that the universe will be recreated at that point, because they believe that every long count cycle the universe begins ends and then restarts again. <laughs> However ….”
“What do other people on the internet think will happen in 2012?”
The problem with the maya’s view of history, as we now know, is that it’s based on a base 20 counting system, right, base 20, so it’s not base 10, it’s base 20, and that’s because you’ve got 5 fingers on that hand, 5 fingers on that hand, and 5 toes on each foot. So their calculation of when the universe will end, requires you to have 10 fingers and 10 toes. Hence, you would have to be a complete tw*t  to think <laughs> that it has any bearing on Cosmolgy. Not if you’re maya, see the maya believed that people influence time passing, people are required actually to keep time passing, so their view of the world was self-contained and sensible. If, at the turn of the 21st century, you still believe that that’s the case <laughs> then you are a tw*t.
On the dangers of the Large Hadron Collider
Cox dismisses “doomsday” scenarios involving black holes or other products created by the LHC in 2012, or any other year;
“according to Dr. Brian Cox at CERN, the universe conducts the equivalent of ten trillion lifetime runs of the LHC every second, and has been doing so for billions of years, with not a single observable consequence.” 
What this refers to is the fact that the universe itself creates particles with similar and greater energies than the LHC, and that these naturally occuring particles have been colliding with other particles, in bodies such as the Moon, for billions of years, with no disastrous effects. 
Brian is married to Gia Milinovich, an American TV producer. Her blog includes a page entitled “Apocalympics 2012 – Mayan “Prophecy”, in which she berates 2012 believers. Here are some quotes from Gia’s Blog: 
Some people – whacky New Agers and many people who should know better – have taken this to mean that the world will end. The fact that the end of the Mayan Long count ends on or near the Winter Solstice adds much more significance to people who seem to think there’s some kind of ‘supernatural magic’ in the revolution of the Earth around the Sun.
What I can’t understand is why people think the Maya had more of an ability to see into the future than any one else.
I’m afraid that anyone who believes there is any deep significance in Mayan Prophecy is quite clearly incapable of finding joy and wonder in the real world and instead insists on creating stories which are based on fear, negativity, insecurity and self-loathing. Seriously, you can’t predict the end of the world *and* love Yourself, Humanity and the Universe, can you? Sad really.
Published scientific papers by Professor Brian Cox (not including CERN);
Media Writing Credits;
Dr. David Morrison is the Director of the NASA Lunar Science Institute and Senior Scientist for Astrobiology at the NASA Ames Research Center. He holds a Ph.D. in astronomy from Harvard and is internationally known for his research on small bodies in the solar system, including advocacy for developing plans to defend the Earth from impacts by comets and asteroids.
A Fellow of CSI, he has written extensively on such fringe science topics as Velikovsky, cosmic catastrophes, UFOs, the creation science movement, and most recently the climate crisis caused by global warming. For the past two years he has been the primary scientist critic of the widespread fear that the world will end in 2012, and of the doomsday sleaze artists who use the Internet, blogs, and cable TV to frighten people for profit. Dr. Morrison’s discussion largely centers around the hoax of 2012.
Dean Regas is the Outreach Astronomer for the Cincinnati Observatory, which was established in 1842. They operate the observatory for the public, and have programs there year-round. They have been getting a lot of “2012” questions during their programs, so Dean has posted a video on YouTube about 2012. It is a nice 5-minute summation of what nearly every astronomer world wide is saying: 2012 is bogus.
Neil deGrasse Tyson (born October 5, 1958) is an American astrophysicist and, since 1996, the Frederick P. Rose Director of the Hayden Planetarium at the American Museum of Natural History in Manhattan.
He is one of the most recognized figures in American science, and has popularized astronomy and astrophysics.
From the Hayden Planetarium Web page:
Neil deGrasse Tyson was born and raised in New York City where he was educated in the public schools clear through his graduation from the Bronx High School of Science. Tyson went on to earn his BA in Physics from Harvard and his PhD in Astrophysics from Columbia.
Appearance on the Jimmy Fallon show.
The U.S. television show “Late Night with Jimmy Fallon” hosted Neil deGrasse Tyson, and ran him through an “Internet Personality Test”, which was a series of questions about internet usage. Question number 5 was “What’s the last link someone sent you that you wished you hadn’t clicked on?”
Tyson’s answer was:
Oh it’s all these apocalyptic 2012 links, there’s millions of them. They send it to me asking me to explain to them whether or not the world will be here December 21st, 2012, and so these are… it’s… it’s… this is rampant throughout America, meanwhile in the Far East there’s a toddler solving a Rubik’s Cube. So, this is the beginning of the end of the American civilization, that people are so distressed believing that the Earth is going to tip off of its axis and end on December 21st, 2012. Don’t get me started. The struggle continues. There’s no greater sign of the failure of the American educational system than the extent to which Americans are distracted by the possibility that the Earth might end on December 21st, 2012. It’s a profound absence of awareness of the laws of physics and how nature works. So they’re missing some science classes in their training, in high school, or in college that would empower you to understand and to judge when someone else is basically just full of it. Science is like an inoculation against charlatans who would have you believe whatever it is they tell you.
Videos with Dr. Neil deGrasse Tyson on 2012.
2010 World Science Festival, June 7th, 2010.
Fora.tv recorded in November of 2009 at the Los Angeles Public Library.
NOVA scienceNOW – Ask the Expert.
This movies tagline is “We Were Warned”, it’s just a shame we weren’t warned just how awful this $200,000,000 CGI fest really is. I’m all for a good Sci-Fi/Action flick and coming from a director (Roland Emmerich) who is well known for his over-the-top disaster movies, I didn’t expect anything more, but this movie really is an insult to human intelligence. It’s filled with so many cheesy cringeworthy moments it could almost pass for being a comedy film. There is no back story to the movie whatsoever, apart from some rubbish about planetary alignment, solar flares heating the Earth’s core, crustal displacement and of course a brief mention about the Mayans. What we do get instead is Jackson Curtis, (played by John Cusack) with a group of other people who outrun erupting volcanoes and earthquakes, driving cars through collapsing skyscrapers, landing huge planes ontop of mountains, always being in the right place at the right time and when they’re not, somehow managing to defy the odds and survive only to be put into yet another laughable situation and coming out unscathed on the other side. If this really is what the year 2012 is going to throw at us then we haven’t got anything to worry about! That’s pretty much the gist of it. It’s hard to understand why certain people have been scared by a bad movie such as this because there is nothing remotely scary about it. That goes to believers and non-believers alike. The movie Tremors is more scary. I guess the only difference being is that people don’t go running around screaming that there are giant man eating monsters living underground but there are nutjobs running about screaming the world is going to end in 2012!
Of course this movie shouldn’t be taken seriously, and anyone who does so is quite frankly an idiot. At the end of the day it is what it is, and that’s an over-the-top Sci-Fi/Action CGI fest that has cashed in on the whole 2012 saga, nothing more. It would amaze me if even the firm 2012 believers were to be taken in by this movie because it delivers no meaning whatsoever to the audience. The movie doesn’t come with some message about what’s to come, or how to survive it or anything of that nature. Even if you look past all the eye candy and somehow manage to look deeper into the film, there is nothing new or powerful that grips you. It’s no different to the countless other disaster/survival movies before it, just on a bigger scale and has the 2012 BS attached to it. All in all the movie is horrible, and that’s not just because it’s about 2012, even if it didn’t have the 2012 myth attached to it, it would still be a horrible movie and painful to watch because of all the laughable cheesy ‘yeah right, as if’ moments that make is so bad. However having said this, the CGI in this movie is very good indeed, not spectacular but that’s pretty much what the movie is all about, the special effects. Sadly though, just having good special effects and nothing more doesn’t make for a good movie, and 2012 is a prime example of that. I wouldn’t say don’t go and see it, if you can handle the 2 hours and 40 minutes worth of cheese this movie throws at you and don’t mind losing a few thousand braincells along the way, then by all means watch it. Just don’t say I didn’t warn you when you leave with a bad taste in your mouth!
More on the 2012 movie: 2012 Movie